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		<title>By: Sabrina Kilmer</title>
		<link>http://bombshellbetty.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/pinup-articles-body-lovehate-and-pornography/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Sabrina Kilmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 17:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a wonderful blog. Thank you for clarifying, because it IS the industry. I struggled with Anorexia for a long long while and when I came to your class it really helped me move along with my recovery as far as confidence goes. So I thank you again, for the class. I&#039;m curvy and that&#039;s sexy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a wonderful blog. Thank you for clarifying, because it IS the industry. I struggled with Anorexia for a long long while and when I came to your class it really helped me move along with my recovery as far as confidence goes. So I thank you again, for the class. I&#8217;m curvy and that&#8217;s sexy!</p>
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		<title>By: beautifulwreck</title>
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		<dc:creator>beautifulwreck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a chick who digs fat chicks. I LOVED the pinup story in Curve (where I am also a Contributing Writer). I must say, my colleagues at the publication (none of whom I have ever met in person) looked fantastic, especially executive editor Diane Anderson-Minshall. That big sister totally rocked it as a bomshell!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a chick who digs fat chicks. I LOVED the pinup story in Curve (where I am also a Contributing Writer). I must say, my colleagues at the publication (none of whom I have ever met in person) looked fantastic, especially executive editor Diane Anderson-Minshall. That big sister totally rocked it as a bomshell!</p>
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		<title>By: More on body love/hate &#171; It&#8217;s a Bombshell&#8217;s World</title>
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		<dc:creator>More on body love/hate &#171; It&#8217;s a Bombshell&#8217;s World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on body&#160;love/hate  Jump to Comments After writing this post, everyone in my life seems to be talking about body issues! A recent thread in a burlesque list [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kiala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. That was incredibly well written. You totally just summed up my feelings about porn. GET OUT OF MY HEAD WOMAN.

Ha. Whew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. That was incredibly well written. You totally just summed up my feelings about porn. GET OUT OF MY HEAD WOMAN.</p>
<p>Ha. Whew.</p>
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		<title>By: suicide_blond</title>
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		<dc:creator>suicide_blond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>love love love..this... and thanks for not blaming the models....the ones in magazines are sooo photoshopped that they are hardly recognizable...and that really...isnt their fault!!! preaching self love over self hate seems like such an obvious thing...but ...umm for whatever reason... the message doesnt get out enough
xoxo

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Response from Bombshell Betty:&lt;/em&gt; You&#039;re so right! I remember an interview with Isabella Rosselini where she talked about how people would come up to her and tell her that her &lt;em&gt;sister&lt;/em&gt; was so beautiful! It does seem like body self-love should be so obvious, but it&#039;s not very common at all. Yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>love love love..this&#8230; and thanks for not blaming the models&#8230;.the ones in magazines are sooo photoshopped that they are hardly recognizable&#8230;and that really&#8230;isnt their fault!!! preaching self love over self hate seems like such an obvious thing&#8230;but &#8230;umm for whatever reason&#8230; the message doesnt get out enough<br />
xoxo</p>
<p><strong><em>Response from Bombshell Betty:</em> You&#8217;re so right! I remember an interview with Isabella Rosselini where she talked about how people would come up to her and tell her that her <em>sister</em> was so beautiful! It does seem like body self-love should be so obvious, but it&#8217;s not very common at all. Yet.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://bombshellbetty.wordpress.com/2008/03/13/pinup-articles-body-lovehate-and-pornography/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen sister!  I&#039;m 39 and I&#039;m more confident about my sexuality and femininity at 220 lbs than I was when I was in my late teens and early 20&#039;s and only 180 lbs (I&#039;m 6 ft so I carry a lot of weight in muscle because of my manual labor background for years in the family business).  

Until the Victorian age (see this very enlightening article on dieting only coming into fashion in the Victorian age: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=534189&amp;in_page_id=1879)
a skinny woman was a sign of poverty, sickness and reminders that famine was just a couple lousy crops away.

And given the fashion of having a boyish figure in the 20&#039;s, it seems to have been a lingering fashion (read, no curves and pre-pubescent) with rejuevination of the trend courtesy of Twiggy.  At least there have been some timeless feminine icons that make men drool that we can still find inspiration: Mae West, Jane Russel &amp; Marilyn Monroe.

I must look into your pin-up class ASAP.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Response from Bombshell Betty:&lt;/em&gt; Great points! It&#039;s so true that ideal body types have shifted over the centuries. Curves were in when they were a sign of wealth. Now, being super thin means you can afford a personal trainer! Ha! There were hundreds of years in Europe where your attractiveness was directly judged by your hip-waist ratio, as created by extreme waist training. (mmm, corsets...)

I was just having a great conversation with &lt;a href=&quot;http://mynxdmeanor.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mynx D&#039;Meanor&lt;/a&gt; about this. I&#039;ve gained 20-30 pounds in the last year and a half, and I&#039;m feeling great! Mynxie has promised me a blog post about her recent weight gain and accompanying body issues as well. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen sister!  I&#8217;m 39 and I&#8217;m more confident about my sexuality and femininity at 220 lbs than I was when I was in my late teens and early 20&#8217;s and only 180 lbs (I&#8217;m 6 ft so I carry a lot of weight in muscle because of my manual labor background for years in the family business).  </p>
<p>Until the Victorian age (see this very enlightening article on dieting only coming into fashion in the Victorian age: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=534189&amp;in_page_id=1879)" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=534189&amp;in_page_id=1879)</a><br />
a skinny woman was a sign of poverty, sickness and reminders that famine was just a couple lousy crops away.</p>
<p>And given the fashion of having a boyish figure in the 20&#8217;s, it seems to have been a lingering fashion (read, no curves and pre-pubescent) with rejuevination of the trend courtesy of Twiggy.  At least there have been some timeless feminine icons that make men drool that we can still find inspiration: Mae West, Jane Russel &amp; Marilyn Monroe.</p>
<p>I must look into your pin-up class ASAP.</p>
<p><strong><em>Response from Bombshell Betty:</em> Great points! It&#8217;s so true that ideal body types have shifted over the centuries. Curves were in when they were a sign of wealth. Now, being super thin means you can afford a personal trainer! Ha! There were hundreds of years in Europe where your attractiveness was directly judged by your hip-waist ratio, as created by extreme waist training. (mmm, corsets&#8230;)</p>
<p>I was just having a great conversation with <a href="http://mynxdmeanor.com" rel="nofollow">Mynx D&#8217;Meanor</a> about this. I&#8217;ve gained 20-30 pounds in the last year and a half, and I&#8217;m feeling great! Mynxie has promised me a blog post about her recent weight gain and accompanying body issues as well.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Harl Delos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harl Delos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You quote Erica Jong as saying &quot;Pornography is somebody else’s erotica that you don’t like,&quot; but that&#039;s exactly what pornography isn&#039;t. 

Part of the legal definition of pornography is that it&#039;s prurient in nature. In other words, if it gets you all hot and bothered, it *might* be pornography, but if you don&#039;t, it definitely isn&#039;t. 

I&#039;ve always thought that before the right judge, a lawyer could argue, &quot;This isn&#039;t porn, this is *disgusting*, and there ain&#039;t no law against disgusting.&quot;  But as a rule, judges don&#039;t let the law interfere with their own ideas of right and wrong; they&#039;d agree that it&#039;s disgusting, not arousing, and convict the guy anyhow. 

(BTW, I&#039;m one of those guys who thinks fat women are hot - and not just BBWs, but SSBBWs as well. Yes, skinny women can be sexy, if they have the right attitude; it&#039;s just that they&#039;ve got to work harder at it.)

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Response from Bombshell Betty:&lt;/em&gt; Honestly, I&#039;m not very interested in the legal definition of pornography. The vagaries of the legal system are often illogical and have very little to do with the normal people they are in place to govern. It seems ridiculous to say that if I&#039;m not turned on, it&#039;s not porn. There is a lot of porn that doesn&#039;t turn me on, and there are things that aren&#039;t commonly considered porn that DO turn me on. So, I am much more interested in the common, social definition of pornography, which is, roughly &quot;explicitly sexual content having little or no artistic merit.&quot; It is the act of judging the content to have (or not have) artistic merit that sparks the debate about what is and isn&#039;t porn. Who gets to decide artistic merit? In some cases, the government, yes. But in our lives and our relationship with erotic material? This is why I love Jong&#039;s quote so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You quote Erica Jong as saying &#8220;Pornography is somebody else’s erotica that you don’t like,&#8221; but that&#8217;s exactly what pornography isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Part of the legal definition of pornography is that it&#8217;s prurient in nature. In other words, if it gets you all hot and bothered, it *might* be pornography, but if you don&#8217;t, it definitely isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that before the right judge, a lawyer could argue, &#8220;This isn&#8217;t porn, this is *disgusting*, and there ain&#8217;t no law against disgusting.&#8221;  But as a rule, judges don&#8217;t let the law interfere with their own ideas of right and wrong; they&#8217;d agree that it&#8217;s disgusting, not arousing, and convict the guy anyhow. </p>
<p>(BTW, I&#8217;m one of those guys who thinks fat women are hot &#8211; and not just BBWs, but SSBBWs as well. Yes, skinny women can be sexy, if they have the right attitude; it&#8217;s just that they&#8217;ve got to work harder at it.)</p>
<p><strong><em>Response from Bombshell Betty:</em> Honestly, I&#8217;m not very interested in the legal definition of pornography. The vagaries of the legal system are often illogical and have very little to do with the normal people they are in place to govern. It seems ridiculous to say that if I&#8217;m not turned on, it&#8217;s not porn. There is a lot of porn that doesn&#8217;t turn me on, and there are things that aren&#8217;t commonly considered porn that DO turn me on. So, I am much more interested in the common, social definition of pornography, which is, roughly &#8220;explicitly sexual content having little or no artistic merit.&#8221; It is the act of judging the content to have (or not have) artistic merit that sparks the debate about what is and isn&#8217;t porn. Who gets to decide artistic merit? In some cases, the government, yes. But in our lives and our relationship with erotic material? This is why I love Jong&#8217;s quote so much.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: alice</title>
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		<dc:creator>alice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic, go Betty go!</description>
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		<title>By: Must Read: Bombshell Betty on Body Issues &#124; mynxadventures</title>
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		<dc:creator>Must Read: Bombshell Betty on Body Issues &#124; mynxadventures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] coming^ Skin &amp; Ink article on Bombshell Betty&#8217;s pinup class is finally published, Bombshell corrects some misquotes in the article and muses on women&#8217;s body issues. First of all, I don’t think fashion models are personally responsible for the eating disorder [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mynx</title>
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		<dc:creator>mynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it!  Good to see the article finally came out.  I&#039;d nearly forgotten about it.  

Another great article, Betty.  Especially in correcting your quotes about fashion and body issues.  I can&#039;t imagine you saying that, even back then.  We may be missing some context there.

I have to say that this post couldn&#039;t have come at a better time.  I&#039;ve been working on writing about my own personal body issues-- having gained weight during my hiatus from performing.  I&#039;ll be posting that soon.

xox</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it!  Good to see the article finally came out.  I&#8217;d nearly forgotten about it.  </p>
<p>Another great article, Betty.  Especially in correcting your quotes about fashion and body issues.  I can&#8217;t imagine you saying that, even back then.  We may be missing some context there.</p>
<p>I have to say that this post couldn&#8217;t have come at a better time.  I&#8217;ve been working on writing about my own personal body issues&#8211; having gained weight during my hiatus from performing.  I&#8217;ll be posting that soon.</p>
<p>xox</p>
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